Originally by: Garreck

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Edited by: Garreck on 20/02/2007 19:42:11

Originally by: Wanoah

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Once again, the CVA oppressors seek to destroy free commerce and legitimate business in the Providence region.

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Originally by: Houzukimaru

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we just enforce a strong NBSI policy.

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You guys gotta get on the same page, Wanoah...

To any who care, this conflict has been building for quite some time (with predictably favorable results) precisely because of Imperial Order's "Not Blue, Shoot It" policy. CVA always has and always will encouraged free commerce and legitimate business in Providence. Consider the coming decimation of Imperial Order a further execution of our legitimate business policy.

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Originally by: Rania Serlia

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One Empire, One God, one Belief is a purely amarr doctrine. Clearly our empire and god are greater than yours.

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Originally by: Eveliddia

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Originally by: Rania Serlia

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One Empire, One God, one Belief is a purely amarr doctrine. Clearly our empire and god are greater than yours.

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His View's do not reflect the view's or idea's of the alliance. His statements we based from his own ideas. Any further statements posted without The Order's consent will result in swift punishment.

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If only you had taken such a stance when your men began pirating and working with disreputable individuals.

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Originally by: Maggot

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Given a CVA fleet attacked a neutral POS in unoccupied space near NOS territory then they have no grounds for taking the higher moral ground when it comes to piracy.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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Originally by: Maggot

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Given a CVA fleet attacked a neutral POS in unoccupied space near NOS territory then they have no grounds for taking the higher moral ground when it comes to piracy.

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Intel Tells they were told to join or die. An CVA took down the POS for NOS. This is much closer to the truth. LetÆs face it. YouÆre Pirates or your NOS's hit men. I wonder who's running the show. You or them.

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I have to admit these two quotes made me laugh.

The CVA allows lots of neutrals to occupy our space. Indeed we have good relations with a number of other neutal entities in Providence who I also believe co-exist with Ushra'Khan and Imperial Order.

In this instance the corp involved (Philips Transdimensional) were told politely that they could not have a POS where it was constructed. We asked them to remove it. We did this on several occasions. Not only did said corp not remove the POS they also made numerous threats of death and destruction against the CVA and then enlisted Ushra'khan and Imperial Order help to protect their assets. This could not be tolerated so the POS were blown up.

We note that shortly after said corp joined Imperial Order and wonder whether this whole incident was a preconcieved ploy by our enemies to use 'neutrality' to gain a foothold in strategic systems bordering our space.

Unfortunately, this attempt failed as has the more recent attempt to infiltrate NOS space.

Imperial Order you had many chances to preserve your neutrality with us but your persistent attacks on neutrals in Providence and low-sec Amarrian space due to your illegal adoption of an NBSI policy means that you are indeed pirates in our eyes and shall be treated as such.

Your continued support for UShra'Khan, you involvement in the attack on NOS, the recruitment of known low-sec pirate Davlin Lotze and your acceptance of a corporation which had deliberately gone out of its way to provoke CVA means your fate is sealed.

If you do wish to end this war then expel Davlin Lotze, and make a public statement renouncing piracy and apologising to CVA for your actions in support of terrorism and piracy. If you can refrain from shooting CVA and neutrals then it may just be possible that we can refrain from shooting you.

Do not believe the propoganda spouted by the terrorists in UShra'Khan we can be perfectly reasonable if given the chance...

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Now now children, play nice.

Don't make us come home for a visit.

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Originally by: Righteous Fury

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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I thought you guys were banned and made a deal to save your assets the last time you came to prov. Pirates can't be trusted I see to hold there word. However I returned from my sleep only 2 days after that war ended. An being that you've spoken you've already made your mind to come back. "My Guns will blaze with Righteous Fury & strike those down that stand before me"

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Banned? Please sir, you hold yourself in too high esteem. We cut a deal with your more effective neighbors because we got what we wanted - the total and utter lockdown of your home space and the absolute destruction of your forces. As I remember, your own campaign analysts recorded your forces as only having a whopping 3.45% efficiency against us - before orders were given to strike the entire debacle from the database.

Mark my words, if you keep up your childish actions we will be back - and you should know how we like to reduce your fleets to rubble.

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Originally by: Pezzle

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Edited by: Pezzle on 26/02/2007 21:28:20
Edited by: Pezzle on 26/02/2007 21:27:34

Originally by: Rania Serlia

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"Because in CVA, we like to have presumed neutral pilots sitting in our systems, in our stations, at our gates, we don't believe any possiblity that they are indeed hostile or hostile sympathizers."

Not Blue, Shoot It.

We don't like spies.

Not that I speak for my alliance or anything, but if you aren't wiling to declare that you are friendly by getting set blue(a very simple thing), then you are presumed hostile.

Simple as that.

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Wait a minute, one of you states we might make mistakes on our declarations of hostile intent. WE gather evidence to support our stance. Another states if you do not *make* an arrangement you will be shot. YOU expect them to make contact. See anything wrong here?

CVA takes great pains to identify troublemakers while leaving the innocent unharmed. If mistakes are made we take responsibility. Our generosity extends to all willing to live by a few simple rules. Can you say the same?

We are willing to accept the extra burden these measures entail in the name of the Empire. Attacking a ship because it does not beg you for passage is uncivilized.

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Originally by: Pezzle

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Originally by: Vampire Lord

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The point is we give others a chance to be blue an or take another route. You give people the option to follow your rules or die. We control one entry point into prov. There is another point about 7 jumps away. You can not call us pirates for protecting our space. This war is pointless but fun. You need to re-think your motives an see if they are really correct.

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No

You attack anyone who has not made arrangements with you. This makes you a hostile entity. You are pirates. Our attacks are not made on the possibility of a phantom.

This war is pointless? More the fool you. We stand for law and order. We bring stability and peace. We promote commerce. We encourage growth. We do our duty. We serve beyond ourselves. War is not 'fun', barbarian.

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Originally by: Pezzle

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Why do I think IO are deliberately trying to misunderstand this situation?

You sit on an access point into Providence. You shoot anyone who has not made an 'arrangement' with you. Practice of NBSI in Amarr Providence makes you a pirate. Accepting pirates and pirate corps into your Alliance brands you as a pirate sympathizer. Assisting rebels in the Imperial territory known as Providence makes you an enemy of the Empire.

There are simple solutions to these problems. Renounce piracy and remove them from your Alliance. Stop aiding rebels in attacks on Amarr forces. Cease your NBSI policy and adopt an attitude that will promote the growth of Providence.

Alternatively you may continue to lose assets to the point that any decision you make will be rather meaningless.

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Originally by: Ramruqai

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If I had know Imperial Order would be these kind of folks you would have gone KOS to CVA back in June 2006 or sooner. Imperial Order has done so many things that usually get a KOS stamp from CVA that they should consider them selfs lucky that they were on neutral standing (that is blue in your book NBSI folks)when they were first starting out in providence.

The first ever issue with Imperial Order was when they killed a CVA Taranis in 0.0, I'm afraid the alliance logs do not state where exactly this was but it really is irrelevant cause CVA were on good terms with Imperial Order at the time. IO did the right thing here and reimbursed the pilot in question and it was marked as a mistake.

The secont event was when a CVA gang was attacked in KBP in on of IO many gate camps. Vampire Lord that has been running a big mouth in this thread already was there himself. CVA ships destroyed were Cyclone and Arbitrator. At this time most would consider if IO actually are even disciplined enough to run a NBSI policy. CVA hold of KOS on IO for a while and sort this out peacefully and both ships are reimbursed.
Aralis was the one handling negotiation, and at the time alliance leader. Aralis said to CVA: "They have given up NBSI and paid out to those they blew up and it's settled. Not KOS as hopefully all know by now." - We can all agree that they indeed did not keep their promise. Peace was still between the two after this incident, delicate one maybe but peace none the less.

21st October of 2006 a pilot of CCCPI was shot and killed in the low sec part of the Amarrian region Domain. Zanka is the system in question. Josey Whales of the World Order was the pirate. I send a mail to his CEO and asked that he'd been booted, we got no reply, the member later left IO and joined Privateers among others. Hopefully not the kinda folks IO want in their ranks. Despite this IO was not added to KOS.

December 2006 was when IO are placed on CVA KOS list. The drops that filled the meter are IO's attacks on members of the 1st Praetorian Guard a very close friend of CVA and one of their members Killza pirating a mining barge in Mamet (low sec domain, 3 jumps from CVA's first outpost) Also a member of World Order at the time.
Lastly I want to add this chat log from two IO members around October the 1st
CarpeNoctem667 > Amandi we do pirate
CarpeNoctem667 > If their not blue to us then we blow them up cause they have no relation to us
MickeyFinn > We are ******* pyrits...
MickeyFinn > Look at my sec stat.

If this explanation is not enough for IO to understand and see the error of their way and negotiate with CVA there is no other fate for you than the one your supposed friends of the Ushra'Khan. You will either reason with us or feel the wrath of Amarrian superiority through holy light of our lasers and ammo!

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Originally by: Drakonis Lox

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Ikar, since you seem to know soooo much about the PTDI stuff in d-g, u would know that not only did we tell you that we recruited the kos member for the sole purpose of getting her banned for macroing, we suggested the deadline to have her removed. You would also know that we did take care of the situation one day ahead of our set time by podding her and telling her that if she came back we would do it again. Dark Renegade sent the pod mail to someone from CVA and got no response to it. Speak of what you know, and I hate to tell you, but your forums obviously have been doctored. The comments posed by dark above in this thread were not said on the date that was posted. They were not made until the day CVA engaged our poses. Please quit with the propoganda, and blatent lies. You are more of a pirate than any pirate I have ever met in this game, spitting your self-righteous nonsense and turning everything to what you would like to hear.

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Originally by: Garreck

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Edited by: Garreck on 05/03/2007 16:27:28

Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos

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CVA should keep their ships in Empire and wait for us to come to them.

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Garreck grins
You should be so lucky, terrorist.

Originally by: Ottom Ephesianos

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tit for tat? Warriors lets take a long look at the meaning of attrition.

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I fail entirely to see how the destruction of completely neutral parties in the Bleaklands or any Empire space on Imperial Order's part constitutes attrition. Indeed, the CVA are demonstrating the true meaning of attrition to Imperial Order on a daily basis now. Nice attempt at deflection, though.

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Originally by: Pezzle

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If your members want to back pirates they can die like pirates. Do not dream you are anywhere near breaking even in this war.


The Blood you see is your own. The Sharks are the CVA.

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